After two recent episodes examined the pros and cons of meritocracy, the Capitalisn’t podcast considers a related question: How much of “success” is driven by effort versus luck? To help find an answer, hosts Luigi Zingales and Bethany McLean sit down with University of Texas’ Kathryn Paige Harden, a behavioral geneticist, professor of psychology, and author of the book The Genetic Lottery: Why DNA Matters for Social Equality.

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