French economist Thomas Piketty is well-known for documenting inequality, with his best-selling 2013 book Capital in the Twenty-First Century having received numerous awards and accolades. His new book, A Brief History of Equality, is more optimistic: In it, Piketty documents how our world has become relatively more equal since the end of the 18th century.

In this unedited conversation, Piketty talks to Capitalisn’t hosts Bethany McLean and Luigi Zingales about the lessons from this movement toward equality and how that movement might proceed.

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