In her new book, The Big Fail: What the Pandemic Revealed About Who America Protects and Who It Leaves Behind, Capitalisn’t cohost Bethany McLean and her coauthor, Joe Nocera, argue that the COVID-19 pandemic was not simply a natural disaster but also a human failure. In this conversation with fellow cohost Luigi Zingales, she dissects the policies, decisions, and systemic structures that exacerbated the pandemic’s fallout for the most vulnerable in society.

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