Following the conviction of beleaguered crypto entrepreneur Sam Bankman-Fried, Capitalisn’t podcast hosts Bethany McLean and Luigi Zingales talk with reporter Zeke Faux, whose book Number Go Up examines crypto generally and the activities of Bankman-Fried specifically. They discuss whether it is too soon to write crypto off, what larger commentary it offers about capitalism, and why Luigi, who teaches a popular MBA course on fintech, feels “crypto is money that can only be created by computer scientists who don’t understand history.”

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