The only true aging is the erosion of one’s ideals,” says Ralph Nader, the former third-party presidential candidate who just turned 90 after more than 60 years of consumer advocacy. In this week’s episode, Nader joins hosts Bethany McLean and Luigi Zingales to discuss his new book, Rebellious CEO: 12 Leaders Who Got It Right. The three talk about the possibilities of ethically profitable business, Nader’s lifelong pursuit of justice, his views on the state of capitalism today, the political disillusionment of the public, and how we can reclaim democratic control of capitalism.

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